Thursday, January 11, 2018

the last kids of a president that joined the real military? Pres Teddy Roosevelt's kids, 5 of 6 were in WW1, even his daughter.


Bush 43 sure as hell didn't.

Texas Air National Guard my ass. That's about as real a military service as sheltering elitist politicians sons can get. What's the point of an air natl guard? Oh, did we lose the Air Force? No? Then we don't need an ANG. Regardless, if we need planes to scramble, the Navy will have more jets in the air than the air farce has office chairs.

Ike's reservist grandson married Nixon's daughter and inspired CCR's son about useless senator's sons who were sheltered stateside during Vietnam

Ike's son graduated from West Point on D-Day and served in both World War II and the Korean War. In both cases, though, the brass was so freaked out about protecting him from actual harm, you know, 'cause his dad would END them if anything happened to his son, so it's not his fault really that he wasn't really given a chance. Read what he has to say about it http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/opinion/28eisenhower.html  it's interesting.

FDRs son flew 300 recon missions, and witnessed JFKs older brother Joe Jr kia

LBJ's son-in-law was a Marine and earned a Bronze Star during his two Vietnam tours,

One of Biden's son was in the Army Natl Guard as a lawyer and had to spend a year in Iraq, so, whatever. Lawyer. Nuf said. The other was also a lawyer, but was kicked out of the Navy Reserves for using cocaine (deliberate get me outta here move) a month after getting commissioned... again, reserves? Get a life. If you haven't served active, you don't deserve respect for going reserves. If you've been active, I got no quarrel nor complaint. You do whatever after serving real time in the military, you got my respect. But no active time and straight into reserves to dodge the draft? Pussy.

Got the feeling that you must complain about my opinion on my website? Go ahead, I need something to fill my garbage can with. I actually don't read complaints unless I need a laugh.

I blog, you don't, so pack sand. If you want to send me a link to your website telling me what a great thing the Texas Air National Guard was during Vietnam for anything other than dodging the draft by guys that couldn't muster some guts and do the shit job handed to them by the US Govt, but who wanted to run the US Govt? (George W Bush, I'm talking to you) You just send that link right to me.

I'd love to see what you've posted about the Texas Air National Guard, or the Naval Reserves, or whatever bunch of momma's boys that were hampered by purse strings from doing something useful when their country went to war, no matter what a fucking mess the country was making, or what jackasses were running the country, or for whatever reason they invaded some sandbox. We all know they got rich, and the guys drafted died. Then the rich rode the gravy train to run the country and get us into another war they were too damn stupid to do anything about, except of course, get richer and pay back campaign contributors and the corporations that get fat from the war machine.

Ask the high school grads of the class of 1969, 70, and 71 how many funerals they went to while in high school. That's some fucked up shit. That's what happens when the rich run the country to profit from the experience. Poor kids die, and the rich kids join the reserves (GW Bush, Biden, Eisenhower, etc)
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All four sons of former president Theodore Roosevelt served in the Great War. One, the youngest son, Quentin (1897-1918), was killed in it; two others, Theodore Jr. (1887-1944) and Archie (1894-1979), were badly wounded.

Not every household where the father has been governor of New York and president of the United States.

 At least three of his sons could remember when their father had been a rough-riding colonel in the Spanish American War.

All knew him as a big-game hunter. He raised his brood to be joyful Spartans, relishing the natural world, uncomplaining, ready for any duty, any hardship, and following the credo his own father had given him: “Whatever you do, enjoy it.”

There were six children all told. Roosevelt’s two daughters were Ethel, who was actually the first Roosevelt in a war zone in World War One, serving as a nurse in France (her husband was a surgeon) and Alice, who became a famous Washington hostess and wit.

 Theodore Jr., the eldest son, from a young age aspired to be his father, and their careers had modest parallels, with junior serving, as his father had done, in the New York State Assembly and (after the Great War) as undersecretary of the Navy.

Quentin was the golden boy—the hilarious juvenile terror of the White House, funny, fearless, academically gifted, mechanically brilliant, and personally charming.

With the U.S. declaration of war in April 1917, not only did Roosevelt himself try to return to the colors (only to be denied by order of President Wilson), but every one of his sons took a commission. All had taken prewar officer training as part of the Plattsburgh Movement for military preparedness, though Kermit, who had been working at a bank in Buenos Aires, had the least.

Theodore Jr. was commissioned a major, and Archie, who married shortly after the declaration of war, was commissioned a first lieutenant. They were on the first troop transport to France.

Kermit, thinking that it would take too long for American troops to go into action, used his father’s assistance to be commissioned in the British army, and did so, typically, not out of a sense of martial ardor, but of somber duty. Kermit did, however, have a dramatic role in view: he wanted to fight in the Near East and see the fall of Constantinople from the Turks to the British. To that end he became a captain in the British army and was sent to Mesopotamia. He brought his wife and son and housed his family in Spain, where his wife’s father was ambassador.

Quentin, meanwhile, dropped out of Harvard, became engaged to the great granddaughter of Cornelius Vanderbilt, eluded the restrictions of an Army physical examination (by memorizing the eye chart and lying about a serious chronic back injury), and, after his Flying Corps training, was commissioned a first lieutenant.


Quentin was among the first American air officers to arrive in France, in August 1917. Like his brothers, he proved himself an extremely capable officer with a manner that inspired confidence and affection. Quentin was assigned to the 95th Air Squadron


 Eddie Rickenbacker remembered him as “Gay, hearty, and absolutely square in everything he said or did. . . . [He] was one of the most popular fellows in the group. . . . His bravery was so notorious that we all knew he would either achieve some great spectacular success or be killed in the attempt.”


Quentin, though not in action, had already broken an arm and reinjured his back crash-landing a plane and had been hospitalized for pneumonia. On 6 July 1918 he had his first dogfight and came back elated. In combat against three German planes, he had shot one down and evaded the other two.
On 14 July, during an early patrol his squad encountered seven Fokkers that outmaneuvered his squadron's relatively slower aircraft and he was shot down, dead of his wounds before the plane touched ground

Teddy Jr was the oldest man to hit the beach (Utah) on D-Day, the only general to do so, at the age of 56. He died six weeks later of a heart attack in his tent, and was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously. Thus, Ted Sr and Jr are the only president and son to be awarded the Medal Of Honor.

During WW1 Archie had an arm broken and a kneecap shattered by shrapnel. Archie, though considered 100 percent disabled from his wounds in the First World War, would not be denied an opportunity to fight in the Second. Between the wars he had been an oil and financial executive.

After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, he employed sheer Rooseveltian gumption to be commissioned a lieutenant colonel and awarded a combat command in New Guinea from 1943 to 1944, where he proved he still had the audacious Roosevelt fighting spirit.

Archie was fearless in the face of enemy fire. He told one young soldier who was cowering while Roosevelt stood erect, “Don’t worry. You’re safe with me. I was wounded three times in the last war, and that’s a lucky charm.” It was for a while, at least, before an enemy grenade exploded into the same knee that had been hit with shrapnel in France. He was invalided out of the service, the only American soldier to be declared 100 percent disabled in two wars.

https://www.historyonthenet.com/teddy-roosevelts-sons-in-world-war-1/
http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/quentin.html
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15131
http://www.houstonpress.com/news/presidents-sons-at-war-13-service-records-from-the-mediocre-to-the-ultimate-sacrifice-6751087

There are only 3 enlisted servicemembers with parents serving in congress

In all, about 1 percent of U.S. representatives and senators have a child in uniform. Less than 1 percent of today's graduates from Ivy League schools go on to serve in the military.

Of the 43 men who have served as President of the United States, a total of 31—or 72%--served in the military before becoming President. That was before being a lawyer or millionaire was a pre req, and Clinton and Trump dodged the draft

A Duke University study demonstrates that it matters whether civilian decision makers have military experience: A review of U.S. foreign policy over nearly two centuries shows that when we have the fewest number of veterans in leadership and staff positions in Congress and the executive branch, we are most likely to engage in aggressive (as opposed to defensive) war fighting. And we are most likely to pull out of conflicts early.

In World War I, back when personal honor and self respect still had meaning in the ivy league, one of Congress's stated reasons for proposing a draft was that without it, too many of the upper-class children would rush to service, and we'd lose the leadership class of the country.

In 1956, a majority of the graduating classes of Stanford, Harvard and Princeton joined the military, and most were not drafted. Leadership's cry of "follow me" is more convincing than "charge!" , and those who aspire to future leadership see military service as necessary to their credibility in some cases

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2270473&page=1

12 comments:

  1. I did serve in my times, not that long but I did. Mech Infantry Brigade, BMP-1 crew member (without specific role, just... a spare part). I don't have a clear opinion if the president of a country should serve, it would be good if he did some time in organized and (mostly) disciplined formation. That do shape some people in to more stable persons. Well... maybe not the "stable geniuses" as some like to call themselves those days. But just, stable. What I would like to be a rule, the Defense Ministers should always had service in records.

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    1. Thanks for your service! I raise a pint of beer to you, and will buy you one when and if we meet.
      I completely agree with your comment.

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  2. If I remember correctly, neither Bill Clinton, Barack Obama or Donald Trump went to war. Only Barack Obama didn't come of enlistment age when there was a draft, whereas the other two got deferments (heel spurs, my butt...). Question is who of these three would have volunteered to fight in WW1 or WW2, if they had been born that much earlier.

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    1. like I said, Clinton and Trump wee draft dodgers

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  3. I do follow a number of military blogs, and see a clear difference in comments from military personnel and what I will loosely call 'armchair warriors'. Those with a military background are usually the ones seeing war as a last - if ultimately neccessary - resort.

    (Nope, I didn't serve, mainly because I was a Swiss citizen who had lived abroad for most of my life, when it became my time. Switzerland figured correctly that me going to join military excercises for some weeks every year from age 19 through 50 was a bit silly, now that I had no ties to the country save for my passport).

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    1. I don't have any issue with people that don't serve, it's better to go through life happy and free. I do think that draft dodging is cowardly, and getting some bullshit military reserve gig because your family is connected is just as cowardly. Bush never showed up for that even.

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  4. Quite a family story there!

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    1. astonishing I thought, and though there's very little to do with my blog, I justify it as relevant due to focusing on Quentin's time as a pilot in the 95th, and my ability to come up with photos of that.
      It's amazing what I learn as a chase down a story

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  5. I would strongly encourage you to better understand the role of national guard and reserve military units. Whether reserve or national guard, all military units exist and train to deploy in the field. Do a search on the term "total force."

    Also, the vast majority of the members of our military do not see direct combat or even especially hostile environments. If you want to belittle "easy" assignments, be aware of how inclusive that statement is.

    Please appreciate the fact that reserve and guard units do deploy and perform primary missions as opposed to waiting around for a rainy day.

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    1. You must mistake me for someone who gives a flying fuck. Lemme see.. I'm looking around, nope. Not a single fuck to give, I used most of them up in the 10 years I was in the real Navy, on a real warship black battle pig o death with 4 torpedo tubes and a lot of tomahawks. So, if the shine of my qual pin is making you squint, and you can't see that I don't give a fuck, ignore my entire website and tell some pussy who gives a shit about the reserves.

      Do a search on the term "submariner who gives a fuck" there ain't likely to be a god damn result return, unless it's about kids, charities, and having their own opinion on their own website.

      Now run along snowflake. Some office chair is calling your name because it misses it's Air Force seat warmer.

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    2. Oh, and beer and pizza. We give a fuck about beer and pizza too. And cars. Well, I do, most don't. Anyway, piss off

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    3. As for the rest of the whiners and complainers? I can't hear you over the echoes of the dive alarms from the USS Olympia SSN 717, and the USS Jefferson City, SSN 759... and the sound of taps every night at sunset, and the music of colors every morning at 8am.
      If you don't even have a clue what I'm talking about? Stop by a military base at 8am and sunset.
      Then thank the military who are doing a shit job for the country in equipment made by the lowest contract bidder.

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