Thursday, June 06, 2024

I'll be damned, someone FINALLY got the message, and is doing the right thing - TRAINING people who want a job, and what's more, free housing during the 16 week training course! They must be DESPERATE!


Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro returned from a tour of Japanese and South Korean shipyards with strong words for U.S. contractors.

“For those companies that are having problems in retention, damn it, take better care of your people!" 

Worker shortages had been building for years—and then came the pandemic, said one industry leader.

“There was already a challenge in the manufacturing workforce, and we were gonna have to ramp labor to meet the demand. COVID accelerated that. What we didn't expect is inflation,” said Christopher Kastner, CEO of Huntington Ingalls Industries.

For now, the focus is on public outreach “to attract Americans into well-paying careers in submarine manufacturing,” Dames said.

And that doesn't necessarily mean moving to fucking Virginia



The U.S. Navy, along with its shipbuilders and their thousands of specialty suppliers, need more than 100,000 workers to help build attack and ballistic missile submarines over the coming decade. That’s according to BuildSubmarines.com, whose ubiquitous ads you may have seen during reality TV shows, on NASCAR hoods, at WNBA games, and amid Major League Baseball broadcasts.

Last year, the BuildSubmarines.com website was launched, as part of a “We Build Giants” ad blitz that targeted high school graduates, troops leaving the service, trade workers looking for something new, and other job seekers. (never heard of it until just now from George!) 

In September, the company added a BuildSubmarines.com career portal powered by recruiting site ZipRecruiter. The site has since amassed more than 3 million visits and 147,000 clicks to apply for jobs, said Katherine Dames, who leads BlueForge Alliance’s workforce division.

“For individuals who already have the skills and experience in welding, machining, electrical, additive manufacturing, or engineering, we can connect them to immediate openings across the country through BuildSubmarines.com,” Dames said. “For individuals who think manufacturing might be the career for them, we can connect them to high-quality training—sometimes at no cost to the individual.”

One such program is the two-year-old Accelerated Training in Defense Manufacturing initiative run by an agency of the Virginia state government. It provides workers with nearly four months of training—for free!—and enables them to leave with a certification in additive manufacturing, CNC machining, non-destructive testing, quality control inspection/metrology, or welding.

“It's completely funded by the U.S. Navy, it is tuition-free for accepted students, and the housing is no cost,” said Debbie Fuchs, strategic communications and marketing manager for the state’s Institute For Advanced Learning And Research. “It's a really intense process…basically going to school from 8 [a.m.] to 5 [p.m.] every day, Monday through Friday for 16 weeks.” (like every Navy school I had, 2.25 year of schools)

“Specifically, the Navy is working to train people and place them in the submarine industrial base and those manufacturing jobs. So the big national campaign is ‘build submarines’,” Fuchs said.

Since 2021, the Danville-based program has graduated 472 students, with 60 percent placed in submarine and defense industrial base jobs, according to IALR’s website.  That’s just a fraction of what’s needed, but every bit helps.


Navy officials did NOT (HUH! IMAGINE THAT) answer questions about the origins of this innovative approach and how much money they are pouring into it. But the idea that a branch of the U.S. military would fund an aggressive effort to help a key industrial segment find and develop workers is logical, one expert said.

“It’s a very sensible notion of building up the workforce, training workers for skilled jobs. And you've seen that across many different industries, different times. And so it's doable, and it's sensible.

The question is time, of course. It takes, really, years to take someone off the street and turn them into a skilled welder, which is one of those critical skills you need for submarines. And you have to get enough people interested in, frankly, blue-collar jobs that are a little dirty and a little uncomfortable, but pay well,” said Mark Cancian, Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“And the Navy needs it, because the Navy wants to expand submarine production. I mean, it's basically unable to even produce what it's been funded to produce, and wants to expand it. Now, what's been funded is two Virginia-class submarines a year plus one Columbia-class ballistic missile submarine. They can't even build that. And many people want to go to one ballistic missile submarine and three Virginias. So to do that, you have to expand the workforce. And there are other elements of the supply chains you have to expand also. But workforce has been one of the major constraints.”

Indeed, the shipbuilding industrial base is “still losing more people than is healthy on a year-by-year basis,” Nickolas Guertin, the Navy’s acquisition chief, told lawmakers on April 17.

“We need to get into a better place so we can understand how to interact fluidly, flexibly, and efficiently with industry so we do a better job of building these ships,” Guertin said. “These welders, pipefitters, electricians, pipefitters, they are vital to our ability to provide the resources the Navy and Marine Corps are going to use to defend the nation. We need to stop thinking of them as fungible and think of them as strategic assets.”  (and pay them right, what it costs to buy a house. Having a professional career job, like a welder, CNC operator, etc, who will remain broke and renting? Ain't gonna fly)

Building up the workforce is key to the Navy’s 30-year plan to grow to 387 subs and ships, but the problem is hardly confined to the future. In April, for example, Naval Sea Systems Command chief Vice Adm. James Downey said the difficulties in hiring and retaining workers at Fincantieri Marinette Marine’s busy Wisconsin shipyard were contributing to the three-year delay of the $22 billion program guided missile frigate program.

Worker shortages had been building for years—and then came the pandemic, said one industry leader.

“There was already a challenge in the manufacturing workforce, and we were gonna have to ramp labor to meet the demand. COVID accelerated that. What we didn't expect is inflation,” said Christopher Kastner.

That inflation, coupled with rising minimum wages, shrank the pay gap between entry-level shipbuilders and what someone could make working retail, he said. And it’s hard getting workers to choose a career in manufacturing.

“It's challenging, tough work. And the cost to switch for them is very simple. And that's where we have high attrition rates,” Kastner told reporters at a media lunch in April. “So we're working very hard with the Navy and with our local communities to try to get programs in place that make it positive for someone to become a shipbuilder in the community.”

In March, Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro had strong words for U.S. contractors.

“For those companies that are having problems in retention, damn it, take better care of your people,” Del Toro said, as reported by USNI News. “If they can’t find housing in your local communities, well, then work with the governments to build housing in the local communities to get about it. That’s what problem-solvers do.”

Kastner said the company is already working to meet people where they are.

“We need to provide more flexibility for shipbuilders, when they come in. Historically, it had been a very binary arrangement: ‘come to work or you're gonna get fired’, right? So we provide much more flexibility for shipbuilders now,” including time off at the beginning of the process while new workers acclimate to the job, he said. “We used to just train them and send them out to a crew. Now, we train them, we bring their foreman into the training center and we put them out as a team.”

HII is also recruiting outside immediate areas around shipyards and using data analytics to determine which areas are more successful and targeted incentives.

“We actually just started a pilot program down in Mississippi, where if you stay and your attendance is good, and you're consistent for this and add no work violations, we're going to increase your pay by a certain amount over that time period. We're paying machinists more in Newport News, [Virginia], in some places where it's critical to get the job done. So we're doing targeted incentives in various areas that we have critical needs,” Kastner said. “We have Chick-fil-A at Ingalls…So we are having to meet the new employee where they're at versus just assuming they're going to come in with two years of training and metal shop at high school and wanting to get right to work in the shipyard.”

BlueForge Alliance and its partners have their work cut out for them. But if their template works, other parts of the Pentagon and defense industry might come knocking. Already, the company has a much smaller contract to help build up a 3D-printing industry on Guam.

For now, the focus is on public outreach “to attract Americans into well-paying careers in submarine manufacturing,” Dames said.


Thank you George!

9 comments:

  1. My Pleasure Jesse. Us old rotorheads and sub guys got to stick together!

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    1. How have I gotten this old without ever hearing the term Rotorheads? Huh! Thanks!
      And if you'd ever seen the size of the screw out the back of a sub? You'd know we have a VERY similar size whirly thing moving both of us in our respective big wide open blue fluids (water and air, above and below the waterline). It's very cool how we both are in pods, moved by big whirly things. Darn right stick together.

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    2. The Army calls them Blades that attach to the rotor head assembly and the vertical shaft is threaded for a big nut with a lifting eye for days you have to sling loaded it for a ride home under a Chinook. That nut is called a Jesus Nut. If someone failed to torque correctly and it comes off usually the last words of the crew are "Oh Jesus!" The main comparison between helicopters and hookers is No Visible Means Of Support! And No, I have never seen the nut come off but I have seen the rotor shaft twist off loosing the head assembly and blades as a unit. Everyone survived as they had forward speed at about 10 feet. Blades were still spiraling and climbed up while traveling down the airfield before hitting a reinforced L shaped parking reventement for helicopters. Took most of it out like a big weed eater. Very licky friends! Cabin spunt the opposite direction into the ground. Cabin was twisted enough the pilot doors wouldn't open so they came out the cargo doors as they were always open in flight. Not sure if I have pictures of those or not.

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  2. Good information. We need to get this out to high schools for their graduates.

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  3. It is desperate, overall military shipyards are horrible understaffed and that start to be huge problem for USN. Fin­cantieri shipyard as example really struggle with Constellation frigates (outside all the usual shenanigans Navy made to complicate in theory simple thing) because they lack qualified workforce, that drastically increase costs and create delays.

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    1. and it's because the hard jobs didn't get pay raises that kept up with inflation, and the income from driving UBER for gods sakes.
      The solution is simple, offer GOOD pay, recruit straight out of high school JUST like the military recruiters, and OFFER MORE than the damn Army and Navy recruiters.
      Simple, problem effing solved. Young people get CAREER jobs with great pay, and useful anywhere, like CNC operators, welders. Unlike sonar, chart navigators, torpedo mates, etc... useless after you get out of the navy (none of my shipmates got civilian jobs doing their Navy jobs).
      Evne better, build some housing JUST LIKE IN WW2, for the shipyard workers. Make it comparably less expensive than renting in that area, and not only does that keep out the ghetto crack heads from that neighborhood, it builds camaraderie among the workers, their wives, and their kids. Just like it did in WW2.
      THEN you've got a LOT of shipyard work getting done, efficiently, and things move along like Ford did when building B 25s in Detroit!

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  4. Mike Rowe has been advertising buildsubmarines on his podcast for a while.

    its like any other job. shortages are easily solved by a generous application of money, and treating your employees with respect.
    89% of new truck drivers quit within the first year, and find a job in a different field thats not trucking.

    if 80% of first year school teachers quit the field, or 80% of first year nurses quit the field entirely, it would be a crisis. but since its truck drivers, no one cares.
    the reason they quit and find a different field is they get treated worse than garbage and they get paid by the mile, not by the hour, and so dont get paid anything for sitting around for hours waiting to get loaded and unloaded.

    no one wants to be a blue collar trade worker, not when you can make almost as much money running the drive thru at chick fil a

    during covid the fedgov paid everyone tons of money to stay home and do nothing, and everyone got used to that and dont want to go back to work.

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    1. I haven't been able to listen to Mike's podcast for a while, or the other podcasts I was caught up on, but hell, I can catch up on those whenever. Darn interesting stuff, listening to some people's podcasts.
      Yes, the least well treated new employees are for sure truckers, and fast food workers.
      Hell, even movie theater people get treated better.
      I have had one cousin, and two 2nd cousins, and one brother in law, and 2 shipmates all get into trucking. I'm not sure how many are still doing it, but at least 3 of them stopped.
      Getting a good company is a very hard thing, getting a good job is even harder, as all the good jobs are taken, just like parking spots, and the only ones left over are handicapped.
      Right now, I've been applying for jobs nearly 2 months, had about a dozen interviews, and I can tell you, few companies are legit, damn few help wanted listings are legit, most are simply trolling for your info.
      All the contract jobs are paying 10 an hour more to the middle man staffing agency than they are to an employee... as that's cheaper than medical insurance.
      And I don't need medical insurance, I've got the VA medical for free.
      Treating employees like people would be a good step, treating them with respect won't ever happen. It's all screwed up by the inherent greed of being in business to begin with. Companies simply are all about the greed and profit, not about equitable pay.
      The last company I worked for installed car chargers for Teslas, just to bait engineers to hire on, and put up with low pay. No one else of the 300 employees has an electric car.
      Teachers and nurses, well, they are union, and hopefully will strike for higher pay and better work conditions... but they are not well off by any measure. Simply because school upper management makes 200-300k a year. The highest paid employee on the San Diego Unified School district had been the secretary for a while. 320k. Ain't that nuts?
      I disagree with your last couple statements about no one wanting to be blue collar. I do, I've been a manager, and that was bullshit, I had to do payroll, that was the only difference, because the company owner was fed up with time cards and payroll... and wouldn't outsource that to some HR company.
      I've been blue collar since then, after two of those gigs. I just want to show up, fix or build stuff, and go home. No on call bullshit, no weekends, no overtime. Just give me a thing that needs doing.
      I think a lot of people feel the same, and simply find that most of work jobs are bullshit, and underpaid.
      Yes, during covid, I too was laid off when the car dealership I worked for lost all their traffic, couldn't buy new or used cars, and our state governor lied to everyone and said we were to self quarantine. So, no one was buying cars, etc. 2/3rds of the employees were laid off. Me too.
      And the unemployment went from 450 a month typical California max amount, which very very few people can live off of, to triple that, and before taxes, was 3950 a month for me. And I loved every damn day of unemployment once that happened. Shit, I have paid in 10s of thousands of dollars of unemployment in my 3.5 decades of being a working guy. It's there for one reason, and I want it all back when I'm between jobs.
      I didn't get used to it, not everyone did, and for sure the first 6 months was a dead hiring world, there simply were no jobs hiring. So, I didn't waste time trying. But at 6 months and a day, I started applying, and got hired a couple weeks later.

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    2. And that was a damn pay cut. However, 6 months of good pay and I finally paid off my credit card, paid off my car payments, and was flush for the first time in 20 damn years. That was really nice. But I still can't afford a damn one bedroom in California. 24 an hour won't stretch that far. My car insurance is 190 a month, MINIMUM, simply for being a clean driving record person with zero issues, but living in California at the most expensive car insurance time in 50 years, and a burrito costs 11 dollars minimum.
      So, I'm still looking for a job that pays at least 22 an hour to start, and hoping for 24.
      I have heard an unlimited number of people feel the way you do, that no one wants to work, but, I can disagree based on my day to day experience with competing with all the good people that do want to work.
      I applied for one job, stopped by their office a week later, and learned they had over 200 people apply for that job.
      It's a fiercely competitive job market.
      Unless you are hiring, or trying to get hired, I hope you reconsider your feeling on that.
      That last company I worked for took 2-3 months per hire, I don't know why, but they dragged their feet when hiring.
      It's a rough world when you're not rich. And no one is looking out for anyone else, it seems. Well, darn few, as I've been blessed to have some very nice readers who come to my tip jar now n then, and make me realize they care enough to drop between 20 and 200, nearly annually, because I've somehow earned their respect.
      I believe you're one of them, and I thank you

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