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averaging 750-1,000 pounds of minerals that had to be mined and processed into a battery that merely stores electricity, electricity which is generated by oil, gas, coal, nuclear, or water (and a bit of wind and solar).
That is the truth, about the lie, of "green" energy.
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Thanks Mike!
By the way, a hybrid? Not such a terrible idea, as they get about 40-60 mpg. There's a shit ton of toxic non recycle lithium ion battery in them too, I understand.
So, yeah, there will be pollution, no matter how we get electricity, unless we use our intellect, and make hydro electric work smarter.
You don't HAVE to store electricity in batteries, the electricity generated CAN be used to power an electric motor that lifts or pump mass, which releases that energy when the direction changes, and the mass moves an electric generator.
OR, those long term iron batteries that last decades, take up the size of a warehouse, and are recycleable.
I found a whole lot of pictures of horses pulling cars!
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This has to irrefutable proof that horses are far superior than ICE engines and cars in general!
I've posted photos of elephants carrying motorcycles... by your statement, elephants are far superior than motorcycles.
DeleteExcept, you can't get a horse to pull a car across the desert, or long distance.
Horses need rest, food water sleep, and some love.
Cars? Need gas, oil, brakes.
Anyway, i have no idea why you mention finding photos of horses pulling cars.
What's that got to do with this rant on electric cars?
Horses had to pull cars over a hundred years ago, and, they still got replaced by cars. Now only rich people can afford horses, and the vet bills.
I'd say your "evidence" about horses being "superior" to ICE also pertains to EVs (you did say "in general" but you poke fun at ICE). So instead of recharging a battery out in the field or away from home I suppose you'd suggest a horse or horses to get it back home?
DeleteThank you, thank you, thank you - I have been sating this as well. Electric vehicles are not the answer at this time because of what you demonstate.
ReplyDeleteThere are many videos with *green* electric cars and buses in fire.
ReplyDeleteThere is a city in France where all the electric buses have been withdrawn because several caught fire.
Climate change has always been underway. Now they are panicking the population to sell their *green* crap.
If you speak about Montpellier then those were hydrogen buses, they also want to replace them with cheaper in operate electric ones. If you speak about Paris, they suspend operation of buses made by Bollore to the time they find the reason of why they catch fire, not "several" but two. Before that there was no problem with them. RATP operate 250 electric buses overall, they suspend 149 from one delivery batch for investigation to end. Someone need to pay insurance money, so they are out of service to the end of that procedure.
DeleteAnd there are many videos with non electric cars and buses in fire. This is argument for what? That cars can burn... then yes, they can. They are by pretty flammable. no matter what is powering them.
ok Shas, but what matters is that politicians and the media LIE about the real reasons for climate change and everything else and that their electrical stuff is NOT *green*. Same for wing turbines.
DeleteThat's your opinion, worldwide scientific consensus about reasons of Climate Change is different. Green is marketing thing, but it mostly come to not fossil fuel powered. As this is limited resource that will end, sooner or later, going in to "green" or better, alternative sources is inevitable.
DeleteYes, bicycles for the population, and limousines, yachts, jets and other luxuries for the elites.
DeleteJust like Jesse point out, horses are now mostly for rich. Before that they were everywhere, they were replaced by fossil fuel vehicles. And they will be replaced by something else and only rich person will have a car on gas, because gas will be costly beyond imagination for ordinary "Joe". Oil will end, the closer to that, the higher price it will have, then only a very rich person will be able to use such car. Electric powered engines you like it or not, are now the only existing solutions to maintain transportation system. Maybe they will invent something different, some cool future tech that will make them obsolete, but for now... what are the other sensible options as alternative for gas powered engine?
Deletesteam powered, compressed air powered, and both for the same reason. Easy to load a new amount of steam or compressed air, no pollution, and the compressed air car can use the cooling effect of decompression to air condition the driver
DeleteThe argument that "oil will end" is akin to saying the the "lithium (and other battery elements will also run out". Biofuels, the stuff you grow and ferment, can that run out?
DeleteStill you need something that will power those systems. Something that will heat the water to create steam or compress that air... we go back to electric or fossil fuel engine.
Delete@concrete Chemical elements like lithium we can acquire in some form outside planet, oil not. We did not found any other source of oil beyond our ball of dirt. Chemical elements and minerals for new generation of power storage systems are much easier to acquire, simple there will be no more oil, no more natural gas ect. And it's not an argument but irrefutable fact, sooner or later it will end. Now, biofuels, ok this is the alternative. But as all there are +/- you would need to create much larger farming areas to manufacture more resources that would be turn in to biofuel, that turn in to high deforestation and we back in to beginning of us exploiting too much land and fucking ourselves in return in long span. IMO hybrids are the best for now, they are the transitional vehicles, give best of both systems. We still need to get a more efficient power sources and power storage systems. Even those photos, mocking in its premise, show that even if you have "green" car, you are still dependent on old power supply system, electric generation and transfer systems without updating are already overburden with demand that rise all the time. We just lack a reliable infrastructure to get that step forward. And IMO if we can move more in to electric personal and mass transit systems, more oil can be left for heavy transport systems that are bloodlines of industry and market. De facto we buy us some more time with that.
DeleteI forgot Hydrogen fuel cell power, I can't recall what manufacturer came out with a commercial that showed they can do it, from cow manure, but it sold me on that companies focus on delveloping a commercially viable method of making them widely available
DeleteI like the sound of combustion engines and their smell. The beauty of a V12. I'll die before I buy any of their battery-powered crap on wheels.
ReplyDeleteTransportation evolves. Most everyone simply walked for most of our history. Then we figured how to bread & train horses at a reasonable cost to the point where nearly every business, farm and cowboy had at least one horse. Then the steam engine came along and replaced the horse on all the farms and factories. Eventually some people figured out how to make petroleum powered machines like tractors, locomotives & cars. That was the end of the practical use for a horse. My point is - that maybe we are reaching the end of the life cycle for the internal combustion engine. I'm not convinced the electric battery is the answer but maybe it will be the stepping stone to a technology that is, maybe Hydrogen or a real Doc Brown Mr. Fusion. When ever I bump into someone that swears that gas isn't going anywhere I ask them if they know where they can buy some coal because you know someone said the same thing about UP Big Boy. - got a little wordy there, sorry & thank you for your time.
ReplyDeleteThe EV has not evolved much since 1905.....still a short range vehicle, improved infrastructure now permits them as far out as suburbs to commute. If you want to actually travel anywhere of distance in a timely manner, you're burning hydrocarbon!!
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