I disagree for a couple of reasons 1) lead paint. If you don't know about lead paint, let me tell you it is POISON. It causes BRAIN DAMAGE 2) these looked so rusty, no kid would be likely to play with them. Also, rust can cause lockjaw. 3) aside from the OBVIOUS health concerns of lead and rust, these were toys that were not getting any kids time, as antiques that outlived the generations that had played with them are dead. Kids rarely play with cool stuff like this, and never in their neglected rusty nasty condition. kids MIGHT play with them now that they are restored. Kids have pride and ego too, and are more likely to want to play with nice new looking toys than the rusty unrestored version. But you go buy up the nasty old stuff so this guy can't restore all of it. You are being ridiculous
I agree don't restore. no child would be tempted to play with these toys now and you lose all of its charm,age and for me value.The lead danger exists if you consume large quantities of paint but that is unlikely.I make these comments as a collector of old toys of over fifty years and parent.Water based paints have their own dangers and are far from safe.
No child. Really. You don't know many children. The younger the kid, the less they care about what they are playing with... it's colors, sounds, movements. They don't mind if you wasted a fortune on a toy that is the latest fad, or something cheap and common. Kids like to make noise, and clang the pans and pots. No child would be tempted. HA! Well, you're wrong there. As for the lead, the restorer specifically mentions that he won't media blast as he's not risking the airborne lead paint particles. So... 2 for 2 wrong so far. Water based paints... lol... sure, well, nothing in large quantities is good for us. So, I suppose you must be referring to drinking water based paint. It's certainly a million times less troublesome than lead based paint. I mean, if you're going to over react to water based paint, I will too. In the opposite direction, contrary to you.
I agree with John.I am sure you will crucify me for my opinion.This has much more value to the world as a historical artifact than a as a toy. Would you take a belt sander to a 17th century table to make it a better table? No, as the age and patina makes it beautiful far beyond it's use as a piece of furniture. And in the antique world far more valuable. However if you are the owner you may of course do whatever you please. It is just a shame in my eyes.If you want a toy for your child buy a reproduction instead of destroying something this beautiful.
No where does the guy restoring this say he's doing so for a child. You might have that notion from reading the comments. And the world doesn't care it exists. These were nasty pieces until he fixed them up, just like old cars, they get the rust removed, and they get repainted. They get made to operate as intended from the factory, like new once again, and I haven't seen comments from you about restored cars. And 2 things about your example of a table 1) if you can't make your point while talking about the subject we're having a discussion about, why not choose a logical metaphor? because 2) people literally take belt sanders to 17th century tables. It's common to "refinish" wood furniture, including tables. Why? to make them as nice as they were when new, just like these toys. Especially if a table were covered in a flaking lead paint like this ship toy. See now why your example metaphor was terribly bad at making sense? Nothing about this youtuber suggests he's interested in "preserving" junk. I have posted several things, like that toy piano, hat he refreshed to like new condition. So, you jumped to a conclusion that I have a child, that I buy toys for kids, and that I wouldn't prefer to sand on the top of a table to get a perfect top, at 6000 grit, the oil, stain, and probably varnish, then sand again, varnish again and repeat until it's glassy, grainy, and fantastic. Maybe you didn't notice, nut I blog without advertising making my blog ugly and horrible, because I'm not like you, worried about it's resale value, just like toys, cars, etc I use things because I enjoy them, tables, toys, and my 69 R/T. I'm not preserving patina an original parts, that's for other uptight people who are freaking out about resale values. I drive to enjoy that I have a cool old car, I use old antiques because I prefer their looks to cheap new modern junk made in China. Old gun, old binocs, old radio, 8 track, old books, good lord, haven't you noticed I only blog about cool old stuff? NOT for it's resale value. But because old stuff is frequently much cooler than new stuff. I'd rather have an old Airstream or Shasta, and old sports car, and old truck... and if any of it looked as bad as these toys, they would get all that nasty old paint removed and get fresh new paint or powder coat, just like these toys For the same reason. For another life time of use. I hope you don't feel crucified. I like you, I just can't understand why you're looking at what I post, and not admiring it for what it is, and not what you could sell it for. I'd rather HAVE these things, than money. If kids could play with these, instead of walk by them in some millionaires collection, like all the restored pedal cars, I bet the kids would play with them. I can't understand why you feel these were destroyed by being made like new again. Is an old car destroyed? An old radio? And old house? These are not paintings by Dutch masters, not marble sculptures by Italian masters, not pieces of Faberge or Tiffany. These, are toys, meant, in every sense of existence to delight children ho should play with them. Where's your level of joy in old toys? These are not historically significant objects, there were thousands made. Go find your own, carefully lock them away, for the world to never know they exist. You'll die someday, and your locked away objects will be thrown away by people who won't understand why you buried things away you never enjoyed interacting with, just like every barn find car I post about. Live a little, I beseech you! Enjoy well made old things! Make them useful, clean them, give them to children to enjoy! Or go die in your collection of untouchable relics of past centuries, just another thing that knew no joy
I just love the way this artist, cause that what he is, restores and brings to life a forgotten era of some really cool stuff. Even if he just does it for himself, it's a blast to watch him do his thing. I particularly like the powder coating and watching it glaze in the oven. The sand blasting. the way he disassembles, and reassembles. A true artist.
me too, see the new comments I made in reply to people that only have greed for resale value and no joy in new life added to old toys that have been restored
I agree with you Jesse. The locomotive was rusty and painted the wrong color, so it probably wasn't worth much anyway. The ship could have been cool as is, but the flaking lead paint needed to be removed and the finished result looks beautiful.
it's so restored that it look now like a reproduction... never restore, keep it original with the history of the item
ReplyDeleteI disagree for a couple of reasons
Delete1) lead paint. If you don't know about lead paint, let me tell you it is POISON. It causes BRAIN DAMAGE
2) these looked so rusty, no kid would be likely to play with them. Also, rust can cause lockjaw.
3) aside from the OBVIOUS health concerns of lead and rust, these were toys that were not getting any kids time, as antiques that outlived the generations that had played with them are dead. Kids rarely play with cool stuff like this, and never in their neglected rusty nasty condition.
kids MIGHT play with them now that they are restored. Kids have pride and ego too, and are more likely to want to play with nice new looking toys than the rusty unrestored version.
But you go buy up the nasty old stuff so this guy can't restore all of it.
You are being ridiculous
I agree don't restore. no child would be tempted to play with these toys now and you lose all of its charm,age and for me value.The lead danger exists if you consume large quantities of paint but that is unlikely.I make these comments as a collector of old toys of over fifty years and parent.Water based paints have their own dangers and are far from safe.
DeleteNo child. Really. You don't know many children. The younger the kid, the less they care about what they are playing with... it's colors, sounds, movements. They don't mind if you wasted a fortune on a toy that is the latest fad, or something cheap and common. Kids like to make noise, and clang the pans and pots.
DeleteNo child would be tempted. HA!
Well, you're wrong there.
As for the lead, the restorer specifically mentions that he won't media blast as he's not risking the airborne lead paint particles.
So... 2 for 2 wrong so far. Water based paints... lol... sure, well, nothing in large quantities is good for us. So, I suppose you must be referring to drinking water based paint. It's certainly a million times less troublesome than lead based paint.
I mean, if you're going to over react to water based paint, I will too. In the opposite direction, contrary to you.
I agree with John.I am sure you will crucify me for my opinion.This has much more value to the world as a historical artifact than a as a toy. Would you take a belt sander to a 17th century table to make it a better table? No, as the age and patina makes it beautiful far beyond it's use as a piece of furniture. And in the antique world far more valuable. However if you are the owner you may of course do whatever you please. It is just a shame in my eyes.If you want a toy for your child buy a reproduction instead of destroying something this beautiful.
ReplyDeleteNo where does the guy restoring this say he's doing so for a child.
DeleteYou might have that notion from reading the comments.
And the world doesn't care it exists. These were nasty pieces until he fixed them up, just like old cars, they get the rust removed, and they get repainted. They get made to operate as intended from the factory, like new once again, and I haven't seen comments from you about restored cars.
And 2 things about your example of a table
1) if you can't make your point while talking about the subject we're having a discussion about, why not choose a logical metaphor?
because 2) people literally take belt sanders to 17th century tables.
It's common to "refinish" wood furniture, including tables.
Why? to make them as nice as they were when new, just like these toys.
Especially if a table were covered in a flaking lead paint like this ship toy.
See now why your example metaphor was terribly bad at making sense?
Nothing about this youtuber suggests he's interested in "preserving" junk. I have posted several things, like that toy piano, hat he refreshed to like new condition.
So, you jumped to a conclusion that I have a child, that I buy toys for kids, and that I wouldn't prefer to sand on the top of a table to get a perfect top, at 6000 grit, the oil, stain, and probably varnish, then sand again, varnish again and repeat until it's glassy, grainy, and fantastic.
Maybe you didn't notice, nut I blog without advertising making my blog ugly and horrible, because I'm not like you, worried about it's resale value, just like toys, cars, etc
I use things because I enjoy them, tables, toys, and my 69 R/T. I'm not preserving patina an original parts, that's for other uptight people who are freaking out about resale values.
I drive to enjoy that I have a cool old car, I use old antiques because I prefer their looks to cheap new modern junk made in China. Old gun, old binocs, old radio, 8 track, old books, good lord, haven't you noticed I only blog about cool old stuff?
NOT for it's resale value.
But because old stuff is frequently much cooler than new stuff.
I'd rather have an old Airstream or Shasta, and old sports car, and old truck... and if any of it looked as bad as these toys, they would get all that nasty old paint removed and get fresh new paint or powder coat, just like these toys
For the same reason. For another life time of use.
I hope you don't feel crucified. I like you, I just can't understand why you're looking at what I post, and not admiring it for what it is, and not what you could sell it for.
I'd rather HAVE these things, than money.
If kids could play with these, instead of walk by them in some millionaires collection, like all the restored pedal cars, I bet the kids would play with them.
I can't understand why you feel these were destroyed by being made like new again.
Is an old car destroyed? An old radio? And old house?
These are not paintings by Dutch masters, not marble sculptures by Italian masters, not pieces of Faberge or Tiffany.
These, are toys, meant, in every sense of existence to delight children ho should play with them. Where's your level of joy in old toys? These are not historically significant objects, there were thousands made. Go find your own, carefully lock them away, for the world to never know they exist. You'll die someday, and your locked away objects will be thrown away by people who won't understand why you buried things away you never enjoyed interacting with, just like every barn find car I post about.
Live a little, I beseech you!
Enjoy well made old things! Make them useful, clean them, give them to children to enjoy!
Or go die in your collection of untouchable relics of past centuries, just another thing that knew no joy
I just love the way this artist, cause that what he is, restores and brings to life a forgotten era of some really cool stuff. Even if he just does it for himself, it's a blast to watch him do his thing. I particularly like the powder coating and watching it glaze in the oven. The sand blasting. the way he disassembles, and reassembles. A true artist.
ReplyDeleteme too, see the new comments I made in reply to people that only have greed for resale value and no joy in new life added to old toys that have been restored
DeleteI agree with you Jesse. The locomotive was rusty and painted the wrong color, so it probably wasn't worth much anyway. The ship could have been cool as is, but the flaking lead paint needed to be removed and the finished result looks beautiful.
ReplyDelete