reminder, Broward County Florida, Dec 2019, UPS employee Frank Ordonez was killed on Miramar Parkway just east of Flamingo Road.
Ordonez, a father of two, was held hostage by two thieves who hijacked the UPS truck he was driving after robbing a Coral Gables jewelry.
Four people were killed, Ordonez, the two robbery suspects and Richard Cutshaw, 70, of Pembroke Pines, an innocent bystander described by neighbors as “the nicest guy,” who was about to retire, reported FBI Special Agent in Charge George Piro
Officers and the suspects fired nearly 200 bullets. That is the preliminary number from the early stages of the investigation into the December 5 shootout that left four people dead, Florida Department of Law Enforcement Special Agent Troy Walker said
18 officers from at least five agencies were involved in the shootout including Coral Gables Police Department, Florida Highway Patrol, Miami-Dade Police, Pembroke Pines Police and Miramar Police department.
No tear gas or stun grenades were used. Just civilian cars as human shields.
Jarrod Burguan, a retired San Bernardino police chief of 27 years, said that police officers are expected to meet any threat and put themselves between the suspect and innocent people.
That is why they have guns, bulletproof vests, and volunteered to be police.
The three main factors investigators will examine is if officers were justified in using deadly force; if teamwork, cover and communications were used in an appropriate way; and what training the officers had, according to Burguan.
Notice he said nothing about police policy, police procedures, and police training.
No news seems to have reported if the 18 cops are still on patrol, working a desk, or heating up a BBQ while waiting to get back to work.
https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/12/10/funeral-service-tuesday-for-ups-driver-frank-ordonez-killed-in-miramar-police-shootout/
https://ktla.com/2019/12/19/nearly-200-rounds-fired-in-shootout-between-police-suspects-during-deadly-hostage-situation/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/deaths-florida-civilians-police-shootout-call-procedures-question/story?id=67823929
I would take that from other side, go to the source. To be an police officer you are trained in academy, they bolt there in your head HOW to react, WHAT approach take and what NOT to do. This was clearly fuck up, unprofessional, amateur fuck up. This is I presume NOT how they had been trained.
ReplyDeleteSo... maybe, please bear with me, it's not those cops fault that they behave as they did but the training system, they did what they did but why they did that. This is a group, not a single individual, they act like that was a proper method in such situation. It was definitely NOT a proper way, but what if they had been trained in such way they think this is how they should approach this situation.
They should bear the consequences, without question. But that was an effect and not the source of the problem, I would look very closely at training methods, police academies, because something apparently does not work with them since such a situation took place. Maybe standards are lowered, maybe training methods are wrong, something is clearly not right.
You train men to act in specific way, if you train them bad they will act bad. Maybe this is a problem, what we saw here can be just an end effect of long line of fuck ups.
true, good point.
DeleteI went through the military police academy in 1995, and at 8 weeks, it probably wasn't as long as most city police dept academies. It didn't go into very much education on laws, and the very fundamental laws about what police must avoid doing with citizens. It didn't go into much on evidence. It didn't go into much about driving the police vehicles and how to legally and effectively use them when pursuing suspects that have no intention of being arrested.
But it did cover a lot of stuff, if not as extensively as I imagine most police and highway patrol academies would need their police trained.
Because on a military base, nearly everyone is there for a common goal of being a soldier, sailor, etc, in the military structure of adhering to rules about everything.
But it was clear and thorough on when it was legal and logical to shoot, and when not to.
Using civilians, innocent bystanders, etc as human shields to avoid getting shot by bad guys.... it was very very thorough on when not to shoot, if the bullets you are pointing will possibly run into things you do not want to shoot.
So, "spray and pray" method of firing in a direction in hopes that one of many bullets will hit the bad guys, is forbidden, to military police.
When 18 police fire on 2 suspects, at least 200 bullets, that's about 10 bullets per cop. That's not shooting carefully and effectively, legally, when they could avoid shooting innocent bystanders in the background.