While I am sure you will somehow be offended that I would ask, please explain how this "qualifies as entrapment" ? I am asking for the sake of discussion.
I'm not offended just puzzled you aren't instantly understanding... entrapment is when law enforcement sets up a situation that did not naturally occur, like putting a bag of pot or heroin on the ground on the sidewalk like in the middle of a residential neighborhood, and wait for anyone to come along and pick it up. Anyone in possession of a class one drug is instantly a felon. So the cops arrest the person who picked up the drugs, and charge them with intent to distribute based on quantity, Now, in my made up scenario, there is no heroin use, no intent to sell, no reason for the drugs to be there. Absurd right? And when cops just hang out waiting for someone to arrest for picking up the illegal drugs, and provide the drugs, just to make arrests, you see that as clear, and simple entrapment. Bait the trap, wait for a victim, and spring the trap. Well, that is what a trailer of big tires is doing on the side of this road with 4 police SUVs waiting nearby is. Bait, trap, suckers, arrests. Or did I miss something?
the guys narrating the video are on point. The guys had to put the tires in the back of their truck in order to be "in possession" of stolen goods. Then, huh! Suddenly out of no where 4 police black undercover trucks swoop in. The moment the stolen tires are in the truck, WHAM. Arrested. That, is textbook entrapment. What about that, gave you any doubts?
You do realize, we could both be wrong, the guys taking the tires off the trailer could be could be good samaritans who set out that day to clear lost objects off the side of the road, and bring all found tires and trailers to the police impound lot! Ha! But rival police departments who aren't getting as many lost and found items to their impound lot came along and got all upset.... You never thought about that!
Would you agree that it appears the wheels and tires were somehow affixed to the trailer by being tied in place? Does it appear that the two alleged perpetrators have a legal reason for assuming possession of the wheels and tires?
In your made up scenario, I can make up a reason to take possession of what appears to be drugs: to keep a child or other person from harming themselves. However, most law enforcement and medical professionals would recommend not taking possession of the drugs, and calling authorities while making your best effort to maintain their security and keep others from harm.
In the scenario shown on the video, their is no perceived threat to public safety in a broken down trailer on the side of the road. I suppose it is possible that the two alleged perpetrators were taking possession of the wheels and tires to keep them from being stolen, but I wouldn't wait to be the one waiting in jail until the judge and jury declared me a Good Samaritan for saving the public from the hazard caused by a set of rims sitting in a trailer.
The legal definition of entrapment revolves around whether or not a law enforcement official induces or encourages the criminal to commit a criminal act. In the scenario shown in the video, the alleged perpetrators are not encouraged or induced to stop on the side of the road, untie the wheels and carry the obviously heavy items from the trailer to their pickup truck. Quite the contrary, they go out of their way to stop alongside a busy road and even put themselves in danger to perform the criminal act.
Therefore, I disagree that the act shown is "textbook entrapment".
Additionally, I won't even start to comment on the wisdom of taking legal advice from someone who has time during their work day to stop work and videotape something happening outside the window. As the overused quote says: "Just because you saw it on the internet doesn't mean it is true"- Abraham Lincoln.
You're right, and I agree, cops going out of their way to stop alongside a busy road to bait a trap, putting themselves in danger, to lure people to put themselves in danger to commit a criminal act is aiding and abetting. Huh. See what I did there with what you wrote? Cops assisting in the commission of a crime, are criminals. Maybe your legal-dictionary.com won't see it that way, but I'd win my case on Boston Legal!
The Police would call this a "sting" operation. Law abiding people would pass this "bait"" without thinking of attempting to steal it. What disturbed me the most was the takedown with all guns drawn. Luckily the thieves hit the ground before they could be shot.
While I am sure you will somehow be offended that I would ask, please explain how this "qualifies as entrapment" ? I am asking for the sake of discussion.
ReplyDeleteI'm not offended just puzzled you aren't instantly understanding... entrapment is when law enforcement sets up a situation that did not naturally occur, like putting a bag of pot or heroin on the ground on the sidewalk like in the middle of a residential neighborhood, and wait for anyone to come along and pick it up. Anyone in possession of a class one drug is instantly a felon. So the cops arrest the person who picked up the drugs, and charge them with intent to distribute based on quantity, Now, in my made up scenario, there is no heroin use, no intent to sell, no reason for the drugs to be there. Absurd right? And when cops just hang out waiting for someone to arrest for picking up the illegal drugs, and provide the drugs, just to make arrests, you see that as clear, and simple entrapment. Bait the trap, wait for a victim, and spring the trap. Well, that is what a trailer of big tires is doing on the side of this road with 4 police SUVs waiting nearby is. Bait, trap, suckers, arrests. Or did I miss something?
Deletethe guys narrating the video are on point. The guys had to put the tires in the back of their truck in order to be "in possession" of stolen goods. Then, huh! Suddenly out of no where 4 police black undercover trucks swoop in. The moment the stolen tires are in the truck, WHAM. Arrested. That, is textbook entrapment. What about that, gave you any doubts?
DeleteYou do realize, we could both be wrong, the guys taking the tires off the trailer could be could be good samaritans who set out that day to clear lost objects off the side of the road, and bring all found tires and trailers to the police impound lot! Ha! But rival police departments who aren't getting as many lost and found items to their impound lot came along and got all upset.... You never thought about that!
DeleteWould you agree that it appears the wheels and tires were somehow affixed to the trailer by being tied in place? Does it appear that the two alleged perpetrators have a legal reason for assuming possession of the wheels and tires?
ReplyDeleteIn your made up scenario, I can make up a reason to take possession of what appears to be drugs: to keep a child or other person from harming themselves. However, most law enforcement and medical professionals would recommend not taking possession of the drugs, and calling authorities while making your best effort to maintain their security and keep others from harm.
In the scenario shown on the video, their is no perceived threat to public safety in a broken down trailer on the side of the road. I suppose it is possible that the two alleged perpetrators were taking possession of the wheels and tires to keep them from being stolen, but I wouldn't wait to be the one waiting in jail until the judge and jury declared me a Good Samaritan for saving the public from the hazard caused by a set of rims sitting in a trailer.
The legal definition of entrapment revolves around whether or not a law enforcement official induces or encourages the criminal to commit a criminal act. In the scenario shown in the video, the alleged perpetrators are not encouraged or induced to stop on the side of the road, untie the wheels and carry the obviously heavy items from the trailer to their pickup truck. Quite the contrary, they go out of their way to stop alongside a busy road and even put themselves in danger to perform the criminal act.
Therefore, I disagree that the act shown is "textbook entrapment".
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/entrapment
Additionally, I won't even start to comment on the wisdom of taking legal advice from someone who has time during their work day to stop work and videotape something happening outside the window. As the overused quote says: "Just because you saw it on the internet doesn't mean it is true"- Abraham Lincoln.
You're right, and I agree, cops going out of their way to stop alongside a busy road to bait a trap, putting themselves in danger, to lure people to put themselves in danger to commit a criminal act is aiding and abetting. Huh. See what I did there with what you wrote? Cops assisting in the commission of a crime, are criminals. Maybe your legal-dictionary.com won't see it that way, but I'd win my case on Boston Legal!
DeleteThe Police would call this a "sting" operation. Law abiding people would pass this "bait"" without thinking of attempting to steal it. What disturbed me the most was the takedown with all guns drawn. Luckily the thieves hit the ground before they could be shot.
ReplyDeleteGuns drawn for no justifiable reason is ridiculous. Too many cops killing unarmed non aggressive suspects!
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