I get such a kick out of the small pieces of humorous things that the racers and teams did to make their cars show the cool personalities that were involved in racing, like these pineapple shaped vents in the back window
For Hawaiians pineapples are a reference to their land and culture. In the early 1900's most of the Hawaiian economy was linked to the pineapple trade. In the Caribbean pineapples are a sign of hospitality. Boat captains would present pineapples to their hosts when they reached new ports. Today you find pineapple signs and decorations all over the Caribbean.
Pineapples are not a reference to the Hawaiian culture. Pineapples were not Hawaiian, they were imported, and businesses made a lot of money while paying Hawaiians very little for the land, or the labor. Pineapples are south american. If anything, pineapple history shows how colonial European greed used any resource for profit, and left nothing for locals. Pineapples mean other things to swingers in suburbia. But this isn't a post about pineapples. It's a post about how racers and team owners, make cool little humorous decorations or statements on their race cars and transporters
I lived on Oahu for 4 years from 1991-1995. I don't need to look at what someone's opinion on a Maui website. The pineapple is no more part of Hawaiian culture than the US Military is. Yeah, Pearl Harbor, 1941. That's not Hawaiian culture either, it is history, just like the pineapple. Maybe you and I disagree on what the word culture IS and how it applies to a people's historical reference. Since, as you can learn for yourself, the pineapple is NOT native to Hawaii, it is NOT Hawaiian culture. Can you agree with me on that?
from the tourist site you linked to, "It’s easy to see why pineapples came to be associated with good times: they stand out in even the most lavish of fruit bowls.
However, it wasn’t always this way. In fact, for a long time, there were no pineapples on Hawaii at all." Although commercial farming of pineapples in Hawaii was underway in the 1880s, it didn’t take off until the arrival of James Drummond Dole, when his business moved to the island in 1903.
so, if a business that got started in 1903, is what you think of as a people's culture? Then you and the dictionary, the encyclopedia, and the layman's definition of a people's culture do not match. It's about as far off as saying the "traditional costume" worn in beauty pageants is legit, or the "traditional costume" worn in Native American pow wow's is legit. Because nothing made with materials that are only available in the past 120 years, constitutes "traditional" or "culture". If you find something in a racial, historical, ethnic, factual evidence type of way about how a fruit, or a clothing, was in a culture, or tradition, it's got to be a couple hundred years old, and of no more modern materials than were available at the time you reference. Maybe, it escaped your notice, that this website you're looking at here, the car guy blog? Is about history, historical accuracy in restorations of vehicles some times, history a lot, and news a little... but not about new cars. So, yeah, I'm coming in on this discussion on the history as a real thing, not a tourist entertainment. That whole hula skirt and flaming staff dance that is done for tourists? Just exactly as little in the real culture and history of Hawaii as pineapple
really, you didn't read that article you linked to, here's a paragraph from it, that states, clearly, the pineapple and Hawaii are only marketing and tourism related ; "As the pineapple became one of the major businesses on the island, the association between Hawaii and the fruit was highlighted in marketing materials. Pineapples were splashed over magazines, illustrated in brochures, and featured prominently in travel adverts imploring visitors to Hawaii.
"https://hawaiioceanproject.com/a-brief-history-of-pineapple-in-hawaii/ states
The real coup for the industry, though, was the marketing of Hawaiian-grown pineapples. It wasn't long before pineapple became synonymous with Hawaii. It was as if Hawaii was the only place in the world pineapple was produced. Many people still believe that Hawaii is the pineapple capital of the world. It most definitely isn't. In the 1980's, the two largest exporters of pineapple, Dole significantly scaled back operations—it became much cheaper to produce pineapple in Asia and South America. Del Monte, another large pineapple producer in Hawai’i, closed its operations as well. Finally, in 2009, the last large exporters, Maui Land and Pineapple, shut down operations. https://www.doleplantation.com/resources/ states how recently pineapple were introduced, as vague as the entire century of the 1800s. Then states that sometime in that century, it became a business. The take away, is that the pineapple is not even 200 years of being on the island. AKA, not part of the "culture" of the Hawaiian islands, or the Hawaiian people.
Production of canned pineapple peaked in 1957, but the stage was set for the decline of the Hawaii industry when Del Monte, one of Hawaii’s largest canners, established the Philippine Packing Corporation (PPC) in the Philippines in the 1930s. The expansion of the PPC after World War II, followed by the establishment of plantations and canneries by Castle and Cooke’s Dole division in the Philippines in 1964 and in Thailand in 1972, sped the decline. The decline occurred mainly because foreign-based canneries had labor costs approximately one-tenth those in Hawaii. As the Hawaii canneries closed, the industry gradually shifted to the production of fresh pineapples. During that transition, the pineapple breeding program of the Pineapple Research Institute of Hawaii produced the MD-2 pineapple cultivar, now the world’s pre-eminent fresh fruit cultivar. However, the first and major beneficiary of that cultivar was Costa Rica where Del Monte had established a fresh fruit plantation in the late 1970s. Dole Food Co. and Maui Gold Pineapple Co. continue to produce fresh pineapples in Hawaii, mostly for the local market. All of the canneries eventually closed, the last one on Maui in 2007 https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/47/10/article-p1390.xml
Man!!!! You do seem to have a lot of time to entertain unimportant arguments...
I'll start repeating what I already said. Two things can be true at the same time. Pineapples can be a foreign fruit introduced in the 1900 for economic reasons AND pineapples can be part of Hawaiian culture TODAY! It is not a hard concept to grasp.
Seems to me that the one that doesn't understand the definition of culture is you. Culture is an ever-changing and evolving concept! Culture is shaped by advances of all kinds and changes in the way of life. Hip-hop, cinema, anime, rock & roll are all part of culture and I'm almost positive all these innovations are less than a couple hundred years old.
The day that pineapples arrived in Hawaii they were NOT part of Hawaiian culture. There is no doubt about it! But today, over 100 years later, the plant has been shaping life, economy, traditions and diets in the island it most definitely IS part of the hawaiian culture! Culture is not frozen. Culture is always changing and evolving. Are we supposed to think that corn is NOT part of Iowa culture or that peaches are not part of Georgia culture? Peaches are from China and didn't become an industry in Georgia until the 1850s. I feel bad for Georgia... they will have to replace all those license plates!
What about American culture? Do we have a culture? After all most of us have not been here for a couple hundred years! Are burgers, jeans and sneakers part of our culture or are all these items not OLD enough?
Enjoy your life and don't bother replying. I already moved on.
" You do seem to have a lot of time to entertain unimportant arguments..." Really? You don't seem to be very observant. Maybe you're just not very smart, or you miss the obvious. Or you simply insist on trying to have the last word, even when you're clearly in the wrong, misunderstand context, history, and time. If it's unimportant to you, then shut up. If you think it's impressive how much time I have, then you're missing comprehension of a couple things.... you're wasting as much time trying to push your idiocy, as I've taken to show how clearly your own link proves you wrong. Plus, you completely miss that this is my blog. I've put 56,000 posts on it. I've been adding content to it for 17 years. Do I seem to have a lot of time? Or, did you miss that I'm not a hit and run, there and gone, overnight sensation that disappears? Probably, as you're not very smart, or understanding of the basics. Repeating yourself isn't useful, you're wrong. So, repeating stupid things, is just childlike, idiotic, it's screaming and wailing that you're not getting your way. You can't tell what's significant, intelligent, factual, cultural, or legitimate. Do you think that what's integrated into Hawaiian marketing, for tourists, is thereby part of a people's culture? That a tribe assimilates some colonial sales pitch fad into their culture, because you're too stupid to understand what tribal culture is? So, Hawaiian pizza, that's part of the Hawaiian culture? Are you actually that much of a moron? That's pizza you buffoon. Not even good pizza, that's American trailer trash. Do you know what a fad is? Telephone pole sitting? Big band pop music? Yo Yo? Pet rocks? Fidget spinners? Tamagotchi? Kendama? That's pineapple and Hawaii. So were pogs. Pineapples are not Hawaiian culture. Just because some are still farmed there doesn't make them a Hawaiian or Polynesian cultural fact. Culture, you retard, is not ever changing, and evolving. Get a dictionary Or, read from the online Merriam Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group That is not the same as POP CULTURE Culture, is historic. This discussion of pineapples is not relevant to pop culture, nor labratory chemistry culture, nor yogurt and yeast culture. Maybe you didn't get a decent fundamental education, to teach you that a word can have different applications.
Hawaiian culture, is the Polynesian history and traditions of the Pacific wanderers that settled on Oahu, Maui, Kauai, Lanai, Moloka'i and the other less commonly mentioned Hawaiian islands. The leper colony isn't Hawaiian culture either. You're simply unable to grasp the colonizing European influences and changes to the islands do not change the Hawaiian people's culture that existed outside of, and before, the Europeans sailed into view. You're ignorant of the differnce of culture, and pop culture, as your examples of hip hop (for fucks sake you simpleton, hip hop is less than 30 years of a fad that's already died off) The pineapple didn't shape life or traditions on the islands, neither did shaved ice. Your tourist view of Hawaii blinds you to seeing past the marketing. Have you even been to a Hawaiian island? As for Iowa, Georgia, well, again, you've conflated through your cognitive bias just how little history Iowa and Georgia have, and yet you compare them to Hawaiian people's 10 centuries of culture and history. Coincidentally, Iowa was settled by the first Europeans in 1833. About the same time the pineapple was introduced to the Hawaiian Islands. Are you ignorant of how 200 years of history isn't much, and though it is ALL Iowa has for European colonist history, the indigenous people and tribes in Iowa before that were in place for 11,000 years? Corn wasn't there, you mewling quim. https://history.iowa.gov/sites/default/files/history-education-readiowahistory-corn-student_0.pdf And though you bring up peaches, and how colonists in Georgia began the industry and pop cultural reference to the Georgia Peach, you can't connect the fact you landed, with the argument you're bringing about pineapples in Hawaii Again, colonists brought these plants and fruits. This does not make the fruits part of the Cherokee culture of the people that already lived in Georgia, you brainless mook. And yeah, the license plate is about 110 years of identifying owners registry of a vehicle with the state of residency. Peaches weren't put on the Georgia license plate until 1940, and the modern graphic didn't come along until 1990. That's pop culture. What about American culture, you can't even discuss Pineapple and Hawaii.... you're not likely to be able to understand national culture in a discussion. Start small, with baby steps. Try and get educated on something as minute as the Hawaiian culture and how it's not the colonist's additions since the Europeans invaded and overthrew the indigenous people.
I won't bother taking a side in this argument, but the guy was civil. Yes, it's your website, but if you flip out when people disagree with you, maybe you should disable comments.
and if you could take a side, that would be very nice of you. Yes, I do flip out. THAT is WHY it's called a rant. Notice the tags: Funny car, Hawaiian, humor, and rant.
Why not take a side? With out without a comment about the topic, just why not say, yes the Hawaiian culture includes pineapples, or No, pineapples are not Hawaiian culture. Or, right, pop culture, not historic racial culture?
I am very curious about the reason you choose to comment on civility, but not culture accuracy. That's intriguing.
By the way, emotional reaction is the difference between a business website existing to profit from the consumer reaction/website traffic, and a blog which is a personal effort to display enthusiasm for a topic. Hate, disgust, love, envy, attraction, etc for cars, engineering, design, art, people, history etc. It is my blog, I am a car guy. Just a car guy, not a businessman invested to profit, to share the stuff I find interesting
Fair enough. I'm sure you've noticed dictionaries often have more than one definition for a word. Mr. Anonymous was using "culture" in one of the widely accepted senses of the word. So were you. His usage is more in line with academic terminology. Yours accords with popular vernacular, like "He ain't got no culture."
thanks. Yes, I've noticed, yogurts and yeasts have cultures. I tried thoroughly to explain that tourism marketing is not culture. Shaved ice, pogs, and Hawaiian pizza are not the culture of the Polynesian Hawaiian people.
For Hawaiians pineapples are a reference to their land and culture. In the early 1900's most of the Hawaiian economy was linked to the pineapple trade.
ReplyDeleteIn the Caribbean pineapples are a sign of hospitality. Boat captains would present pineapples to their hosts when they reached new ports. Today you find pineapple signs and decorations all over the Caribbean.
Pineapples are not a reference to the Hawaiian culture. Pineapples were not Hawaiian, they were imported, and businesses made a lot of money while paying Hawaiians very little for the land, or the labor. Pineapples are south american.
DeleteIf anything, pineapple history shows how colonial European greed used any resource for profit, and left nothing for locals.
Pineapples mean other things to swingers in suburbia.
But this isn't a post about pineapples.
It's a post about how racers and team owners, make cool little humorous decorations or statements on their race cars and transporters
Two things can be true at the same time.
Deletehttps://mauihacks.com/what-does-the-pineapple-symbolize-in-hawaiian-culture/
I lived on Oahu for 4 years from 1991-1995. I don't need to look at what someone's opinion on a Maui website. The pineapple is no more part of Hawaiian culture than the US Military is. Yeah, Pearl Harbor, 1941. That's not Hawaiian culture either, it is history, just like the pineapple.
DeleteMaybe you and I disagree on what the word culture IS and how it applies to a people's historical reference.
Since, as you can learn for yourself, the pineapple is NOT native to Hawaii, it is NOT Hawaiian culture.
Can you agree with me on that?
from the tourist site you linked to, "It’s easy to see why pineapples came to be associated with good times: they stand out in even the most lavish of fruit bowls.
DeleteHowever, it wasn’t always this way. In fact, for a long time, there were no pineapples on Hawaii at all."
Although commercial farming of pineapples in Hawaii was underway in the 1880s, it didn’t take off until the arrival of James Drummond Dole, when his business moved to the island in 1903.
so, if a business that got started in 1903, is what you think of as a people's culture? Then you and the dictionary, the encyclopedia, and the layman's definition of a people's culture do not match. It's about as far off as saying the "traditional costume" worn in beauty pageants is legit, or the "traditional costume" worn in Native American pow wow's is legit. Because nothing made with materials that are only available in the past 120 years, constitutes "traditional" or "culture".
DeleteIf you find something in a racial, historical, ethnic, factual evidence type of way about how a fruit, or a clothing, was in a culture, or tradition, it's got to be a couple hundred years old, and of no more modern materials than were available at the time you reference.
Maybe, it escaped your notice, that this website you're looking at here, the car guy blog? Is about history, historical accuracy in restorations of vehicles some times, history a lot, and news a little... but not about new cars.
So, yeah, I'm coming in on this discussion on the history as a real thing, not a tourist entertainment. That whole hula skirt and flaming staff dance that is done for tourists? Just exactly as little in the real culture and history of Hawaii as pineapple
really, you didn't read that article you linked to, here's a paragraph from it, that states, clearly, the pineapple and Hawaii are only marketing and tourism related ;
Delete"As the pineapple became one of the major businesses on the island, the association between Hawaii and the fruit was highlighted in marketing materials. Pineapples were splashed over magazines, illustrated in brochures, and featured prominently in travel adverts imploring visitors to Hawaii.
"https://hawaiioceanproject.com/a-brief-history-of-pineapple-in-hawaii/ states
The real coup for the industry, though, was the marketing of Hawaiian-grown pineapples. It wasn't long before pineapple became synonymous with Hawaii. It was as if Hawaii was the only place in the world pineapple was produced. Many people still believe that Hawaii is the pineapple capital of the world. It most definitely isn't.
In the 1980's, the two largest exporters of pineapple, Dole significantly scaled back operations—it became much cheaper to produce pineapple in Asia and South America. Del Monte, another large pineapple producer in Hawai’i, closed its operations as well. Finally, in 2009, the last large exporters, Maui Land and Pineapple, shut down operations.
https://www.doleplantation.com/resources/ states how recently pineapple were introduced, as vague as the entire century of the 1800s. Then states that sometime in that century, it became a business. The take away, is that the pineapple is not even 200 years of being on the island.
AKA, not part of the "culture" of the Hawaiian islands, or the Hawaiian people.
Production of canned pineapple peaked in 1957, but the stage was set for the decline of the Hawaii industry when Del Monte, one of Hawaii’s largest canners, established the Philippine Packing Corporation (PPC) in the Philippines in the 1930s. The expansion of the PPC after World War II, followed by the establishment of plantations and canneries by Castle and Cooke’s Dole division in the Philippines in 1964 and in Thailand in 1972, sped the decline. The decline occurred mainly because foreign-based canneries had labor costs approximately one-tenth those in Hawaii. As the Hawaii canneries closed, the industry gradually shifted to the production of fresh pineapples. During that transition, the pineapple breeding program of the Pineapple Research Institute of Hawaii produced the MD-2 pineapple cultivar, now the world’s pre-eminent fresh fruit cultivar. However, the first and major beneficiary of that cultivar was Costa Rica where Del Monte had established a fresh fruit plantation in the late 1970s. Dole Food Co. and Maui Gold Pineapple Co. continue to produce fresh pineapples in Hawaii, mostly for the local market. All of the canneries eventually closed, the last one on Maui in 2007
Deletehttps://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/47/10/article-p1390.xml
You wouldn't have noticed it, but I actually post about Hawaii https://justacarguy.blogspot.com/search/label/Hawaii
DeleteMan!!!! You do seem to have a lot of time to entertain unimportant arguments...
DeleteI'll start repeating what I already said. Two things can be true at the same time. Pineapples can be a foreign fruit introduced in the 1900 for economic reasons AND pineapples can be part of Hawaiian culture TODAY! It is not a hard concept to grasp.
Seems to me that the one that doesn't understand the definition of culture is you.
Culture is an ever-changing and evolving concept! Culture is shaped by advances of all kinds and changes in the way of life.
Hip-hop, cinema, anime, rock & roll are all part of culture and I'm almost positive all these innovations are less than a couple hundred years old.
The day that pineapples arrived in Hawaii they were NOT part of Hawaiian culture. There is no doubt about it! But today, over 100 years later, the plant has been shaping life, economy, traditions and diets in the island it most definitely IS part of the hawaiian culture! Culture is not frozen. Culture is always changing and evolving.
Are we supposed to think that corn is NOT part of Iowa culture or that peaches are not part of Georgia culture? Peaches are from China and didn't become an industry in Georgia until the 1850s. I feel bad for Georgia... they will have to replace all those license plates!
What about American culture? Do we have a culture? After all most of us have not been here for a couple hundred years! Are burgers, jeans and sneakers part of our culture or are all these items not OLD enough?
Enjoy your life and don't bother replying. I already moved on.
" You do seem to have a lot of time to entertain unimportant arguments..."
DeleteReally? You don't seem to be very observant. Maybe you're just not very smart, or you miss the obvious.
Or you simply insist on trying to have the last word, even when you're clearly in the wrong, misunderstand context, history, and time.
If it's unimportant to you, then shut up.
If you think it's impressive how much time I have, then you're missing comprehension of a couple things....
you're wasting as much time trying to push your idiocy, as I've taken to show how clearly your own link proves you wrong.
Plus, you completely miss that this is my blog. I've put 56,000 posts on it. I've been adding content to it for 17 years.
Do I seem to have a lot of time? Or, did you miss that I'm not a hit and run, there and gone, overnight sensation that disappears?
Probably, as you're not very smart, or understanding of the basics.
Repeating yourself isn't useful, you're wrong. So, repeating stupid things, is just childlike, idiotic, it's screaming and wailing that you're not getting your way.
You can't tell what's significant, intelligent, factual, cultural, or legitimate.
Do you think that what's integrated into Hawaiian marketing, for tourists, is thereby part of a people's culture? That a tribe assimilates some colonial sales pitch fad into their culture, because you're too stupid to understand what tribal culture is?
So, Hawaiian pizza, that's part of the Hawaiian culture? Are you actually that much of a moron? That's pizza you buffoon. Not even good pizza, that's American trailer trash.
Do you know what a fad is? Telephone pole sitting? Big band pop music? Yo Yo? Pet rocks? Fidget spinners? Tamagotchi? Kendama?
That's pineapple and Hawaii. So were pogs.
Pineapples are not Hawaiian culture. Just because some are still farmed there doesn't make them a Hawaiian or Polynesian cultural fact.
Culture, you retard, is not ever changing, and evolving. Get a dictionary
Or, read from the online Merriam Webster:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture
the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group
That is not the same as POP CULTURE
Culture, is historic. This discussion of pineapples is not relevant to pop culture, nor labratory chemistry culture, nor yogurt and yeast culture.
Maybe you didn't get a decent fundamental education, to teach you that a word can have different applications.
Hawaiian culture, is the Polynesian history and traditions of the Pacific wanderers that settled on Oahu, Maui, Kauai, Lanai, Moloka'i and the other less commonly mentioned Hawaiian islands.
DeleteThe leper colony isn't Hawaiian culture either. You're simply unable to grasp the colonizing European influences and changes to the islands do not change the Hawaiian people's culture that existed outside of, and before, the Europeans sailed into view.
You're ignorant of the differnce of culture, and pop culture, as your examples of hip hop (for fucks sake you simpleton, hip hop is less than 30 years of a fad that's already died off)
The pineapple didn't shape life or traditions on the islands, neither did shaved ice.
Your tourist view of Hawaii blinds you to seeing past the marketing.
Have you even been to a Hawaiian island?
As for Iowa, Georgia, well, again, you've conflated through your cognitive bias just how little history Iowa and Georgia have, and yet you compare them to Hawaiian people's 10 centuries of culture and history.
Coincidentally, Iowa was settled by the first Europeans in 1833. About the same time the pineapple was introduced to the Hawaiian Islands.
Are you ignorant of how 200 years of history isn't much, and though it is ALL Iowa has for European colonist history, the indigenous people and tribes in Iowa before that were in place for 11,000 years? Corn wasn't there, you mewling quim. https://history.iowa.gov/sites/default/files/history-education-readiowahistory-corn-student_0.pdf
And though you bring up peaches, and how colonists in Georgia began the industry and pop cultural reference to the Georgia Peach, you can't connect the fact you landed, with the argument you're bringing about pineapples in Hawaii
Again, colonists brought these plants and fruits. This does not make the fruits part of the Cherokee culture of the people that already lived in Georgia, you brainless mook.
And yeah, the license plate is about 110 years of identifying owners registry of a vehicle with the state of residency.
Peaches weren't put on the Georgia license plate until 1940, and the modern graphic didn't come along until 1990.
That's pop culture.
What about American culture, you can't even discuss Pineapple and Hawaii.... you're not likely to be able to understand national culture in a discussion.
Start small, with baby steps. Try and get educated on something as minute as the Hawaiian culture and how it's not the colonist's additions since the Europeans invaded and overthrew the indigenous people.
I won't bother taking a side in this argument, but the guy was civil. Yes, it's your website, but if you flip out when people disagree with you, maybe you should disable comments.
ReplyDeleteand if you could take a side, that would be very nice of you.
DeleteYes, I do flip out. THAT is WHY it's called a rant.
Notice the tags: Funny car, Hawaiian, humor, and rant.
Why not take a side? With out without a comment about the topic, just why not say, yes the Hawaiian culture includes pineapples, or No, pineapples are not Hawaiian culture.
Or, right, pop culture, not historic racial culture?
I am very curious about the reason you choose to comment on civility, but not culture accuracy.
That's intriguing.
By the way, emotional reaction is the difference between a business website existing to profit from the consumer reaction/website traffic, and a blog which is a personal effort to display enthusiasm for a topic.
Hate, disgust, love, envy, attraction, etc for cars, engineering, design, art, people, history etc. It is my blog, I am a car guy. Just a car guy, not a businessman invested to profit, to share the stuff I find interesting
Fair enough. I'm sure you've noticed dictionaries often have more than one definition for a word. Mr. Anonymous was using "culture" in one of the widely accepted senses of the word. So were you. His usage is more in line with academic terminology. Yours accords with popular vernacular, like "He ain't got no culture."
DeleteBy the way, I love your site, rants and all.
thanks. Yes, I've noticed, yogurts and yeasts have cultures.
DeleteI tried thoroughly to explain that tourism marketing is not culture. Shaved ice, pogs, and Hawaiian pizza are not the culture of the Polynesian Hawaiian people.
neither are the tshirt vendors
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